<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear list members,<div><br></div><div>Many thanks to those who responded to my query about using LaTeX, etc. in the humanities. There are, it seems, at least some places where LaTeX is acceptable, and hopefully their number will only increase as more TeX-produced documents become explicitly known in these fields!</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br></div><div><div>Adam McCollum, Ph.D.</div><div>Lead Cataloger, Eastern Christian Manuscripts</div><div><div>Hill Museum & Manuscript Library</div><div>Saint John's University</div><div>P.O. Box 7300</div><div>Collegeville, MN 56321</div><div> </div><div>(320) 363-2075 (phone)</div><div>(320) 363-3222 (fax)</div><div><a href="http://www.hmml.org">www.hmml.org</a></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:53 PM, John Was wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS">Hmm. I would say that straightforward application of the old rules yields what still seems to me to be the best (and fairly obvious) set of choices:</font></div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS">bio-gra-phy</font></div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS">bio-gra-phi-cal</font></div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS">Viz.: break at clear etymological divisions and otherwise take over consonants (treating ph as consonant, of course). (With a few more items such as -ing, -able regarded as separable, and a good deal of uncertainty over 'r' in particular: probably<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font face="Arial Unicode MS">char-ac-ter rather than cha-rac-ter, though of course Greek would have no qualms about breaking after the first vowel [while in fact taking over 'kt'!].</font></div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS">Many more criteria and parameters seem to have been fed into the mix in the meantime, but I have never been able to appreciate the advantages which the authors of the changes presumably thought they were bringing about with their innovations.</font></div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS">John</font></div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"></font> </div><div>----- Original Message -----</div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="wujastyk@gmail.com" href="mailto:wujastyk@gmail.com">Dominik Wujastyk</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="xetex@tug.org" href="mailto:xetex@tug.org">Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>24 October 2010 19:16</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community</div><div><br></div>Here's what TeX does with "biography" and "biographical" (using \showhyphens). The first item is the result with British English hyphenation patterns loaded. The second is with the USA patterns loaded (ugh!).<br><ol><li>Underfull \hbox (badness 10000) in paragraph at lines 6--6<br>[] \OT1/cmr/m/n/10 bio-graphy bio-graph-ical</li><li>Underfull \hbox (badness 10000) in paragraph at lines 9--9<br>[] \OT1/cmr/m/n/10 bi-og-ra-phy bi-o-graph-i-cal<br></li></ol>The Oxford Colour Spelling Dictionary is not following the hyphenation points of the words on the 1996 tape we were sent.<br><br>Dominik<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 October 2010 09:45, John Was<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.was@ntlworld.com">john.was@ntlworld.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS">I'm afraid the hyphenation rot had set in well before 1996. Any publisher that can list bio|graph|ic|al and biog|raphy in adjacent entries to its published dictionary of hyphenation points (The Oxford Colour Spelling Dictionary) clearly needs to be treated with caution on such matters! (The second two in 'biographical' are marked as less preferable, and I used to dream of a system which would allow ranking of hyphenation points, though it's a pretty immense task; the solitary one in biography' is surely unacceptable.)</font></div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS">The old conventions as delineated in the latest editions of Hart were much safer, allowing much less less leeway for inflexional breaks and for the 'feel' of how words are pronounced nowadays (or however they would like to express it) and sticking to a finite number of quite easily grasped rules that had essentially been in place since the inception of type and (in view of the prevalence of classical learning at that time) are recognizable adaptations of Latin/Greek rules (essentially: take over a single consonant, split a group of consonants, though it isn't that straightforward of course).</font></div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"></font> </div><font color="#888888"><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS">John</font></div></font><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div class="im"><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="wujastyk@gmail.com" href="mailto:wujastyk@gmail.com" target="_blank">Dominik Wujastyk</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="xetex@tug.org" href="mailto:xetex@tug.org" target="_blank">Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms</a></div></div><div class="im"><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>23 October 2010 17:51</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community</div><div><br></div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 23 October 2010 16:20, John Was<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.was@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">john.was@ntlworld.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">[...]<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">Getting back to TeX-related matters, the hyphenation patterns available in XeTeX (even to 'plain' users like myself) are an enormous help, even if I disagree with the English at frequent points<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">[...]<br></blockquote><div> </div>Phil Taylor, Graham Toal, and I were involved in making the British English hyphenation patterns for TeX. They were based on a really good tape of UK-English-hyphenated words supplied to me by OUP themselves in 1996 (with full permissions to release the results to the TeX community). When you say you disagree with the English break points quite often, are you using the US or the UK patterns? They're very, very different. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>It's hard to get good public info on British English hyphenation. American dictionaries routinely include hyphenation points, but British one's routinely don't. The OUP tape was a godsend.<br><br>Dominik<br><br></div></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div class="im"><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><br>--------------------------------------------------<br>Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:<br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex" target="_blank">http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------<br>Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:<br> <a href="http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex" target="_blank">http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><br>--------------------------------------------------<br>Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:<br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex">http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex</a><br></blockquote><br><br>--------------------------------------------------<br>Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:<br> <a href="http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex">http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>