In my view, the synchronised-input-and-output-windows approach of TeXworks is one of its strongest points for beginners (and old hacks like me), including beginners working on Windows. <br><br>I really don't think that the "Tao of Windows," the MS imprimature, that you are suggesting is foremost in most users minds, and I say that as a Windows user of many years. An application such as TeXworks that opens two windows is not going to cause the slightest hiccup for most users after the first five minutes, as soon as they see what it's offering them.<br>
<br>When I wrote with WinEdt, and before that other editors like JED, I commonly arranged my screen so that I had input and output (DVI or PDF) side by side. Exactly like TeXworks. But it was always troublesome, and took a couple of minutes to set up each session. TeXworks makes it easy.<br>
<br>This isn't a matter of imposing a Unix or Mac user interface styles on Windows users. What we're really talking about is a TeX style, a way of working that *makes sense* if you are using TeX.<br><br>Dominik<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 September 2010 20:44, Michiel Kamermans <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pomax@nihongoresources.com">pomax@nihongoresources.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On 9/27/2010 11:23 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:<br>
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Microsoft's recommendations on the UI of programs are only recommendations. If the task requires it, two windows are fine. This is what you would have if you previewed in Acrobat Reader anyway -- two apps but also two windows.<br>
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Yes, they are, and moving away from that recommendation for anything other than "things CANNOT be done unless we use two windows" is not understanding the user experience that windows users expect =)<br>
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Seeing the preview in acrobat viewer is seeing two different applications, with one window per application. This is fine, because that's how applications should behave in the world of a windows user. You shouldn't use *nix UI principles in windows in the same way that you don't use windows UI principles in MacOS, etc.<div class="im">
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It's been a while, but my memory is that many of Adobe's apps, such as PhotoShop, have multiple windows, especially if you detach the palettes. If you recommend Unicode editors in xlshort, I think TeXWorks should be included.<br>
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These are still inside the master application window. You can move these around, but they don't go "outside" the application frame, such as for programs that have been complied for multiple operating systems without using OS specific look-and-feel management, such as Gimp or Inkscape.<br>
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TeXWork should be recommended. But I wouldn't recommend it as main TeX editor on windows just yet, because it refuses to behave like every other application I use on it. That makes it a "good alternative if the following editors aren't good enough for you :...." and then a list of real "for windows" programs. I'll happily endorse it as primary editor on MacOS, though, because there the styling matches the standard application experience.<div>
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