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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS">Hello</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS">I don't use LaTeX but I've always
found that it's best to specify the space round displayed matter as 'x minus y'
(the maximum less some y) and not 'x plus y' (the minimum plus some y), since
with the latter TeX will sometimes stretch it to a great (and unacceptable)
amount if the pagination is falling awkwardly and that is the least-penalty way
for it to complete the page. Something like</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS">\vskip 0.75\baselineskip minus
0.25\baselineskip</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS">before and after the displayed matter
should be OK. (You can put at the start something like</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS">\def\verseskip{\vskip
0.75\baselineskip minus 0.25\baselineskip}</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS">and then use \verseskip in your
environment definition. You can then tinker with the definition of
\verseskip until everything looks nice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS">Hope this helps.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS">John</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sreenivasa.guttal@gmail.com
href="mailto:sreenivasa.guttal@gmail.com">Sreenivasa Guttal</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=xetex@tug.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 03, 2009 3:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [XeTeX] squeezing vertical
space before/after verse environment</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hello,
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<DIV>I have defined new verse environment as below and it does seem to change.
However, I am not able to reduce the verse begin and end space further. I
tried to change listparindent. Please suggest.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Sreenivasa<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:15 PM, François Patte <SPAN
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02/08/2009 08:35, Sreenivasa Guttal a écrit :<BR>
<DIV class=im>> Hello,<BR>><BR>> I frequently get feedback to
reduce the vertical space automatically<BR>> introduced by latex/xelatex
in section headers etc. I have some solution<BR>> for section headers
now, but could not do the same for verse<BR>> environment. If one looks @
the output, the space introduced by verse<BR>> before and after looks
significantly more. My work used indian languages<BR>> like
sanskrit.<BR><BR></DIV>Build your own environment, for
instance:<BR><BR>\makeatletter<BR>\newenvironment{sutra}{%<BR>\refstepcounter{sutra}<BR>
\let\\\@centercr<BR>
\list{}{\itemsep
\z@<BR>
\itemindent -1.5em%<BR>
\listparindent\itemindent<BR>
\advance\leftmargin 1em}%<BR>
\item\relax}<BR>
{\endlist}<BR>\makeatother<BR><BR>Adjust the parameters until they fit what
you wish.<BR><BR>If you want your new environment to be still named "verse",
use<BR>\renewenvironment (with the same syntax).<BR><BR><BR>- --<BR>François
Patte<BR>UFR de mathématiques et informatique<BR>Université Paris
Descartes<BR>45, rue des Saints Pères<BR>F-75270 Paris Cedex 06<BR>Tél. +33
(0)1 4286 2145<BR><A href="http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte"
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