[XeTeX] XeTeX Digest, Vol 94, Issue 16
Shiva Shankar
shivably04sdst at gmail.com
Mon Jan 9 12:05:44 CET 2012
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> 1. Re: [LeTeX] Spreadsheet::ParseExcel Error (Simon Cozens)
> 2. Re: XeTeX Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 (Shiva Shankar)
> 3. Re: XeTeX Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 (Zdenek Wagner)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Simon Cozens <simon at simon-cozens.org>
> To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 22:01:40 +0900
> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] [LeTeX] Spreadsheet::ParseExcel Error
> On 08/01/2012 21:55, A u wrote:
>
>> PS : I have texlive 2011, Active perl, and running on 2011 Macbook Pro
>>
>
> Not knowing the details, Activeperl is probably your problem; my guess is
> that it has its own location for storing modules. TeX will probably be
> calling the system Perl. I don't see much reason to use ActivePerl on OS X
> - Perl is already installed by default.
>
> Try running this command:
> % perldoc -l SpreadSheet::ParseExcel
>
> and compare the path with the paths that the perl run from TeX is
> searching. (/Library/Perl/Updates/5.10.0 /System/Library/Perl/5.10.0/**darwin-thread-multi-2level
> /System/Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-**thread-multi-2level
> /Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Network/Library/Perl/5.10.0/**darwin-thread-multi-2level
> /Network/Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Network/Library/Perl
> /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.**10.0/darwin-thread-multi-**2level
> /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.**10.0 .)
>
>
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> From: Shiva Shankar <shivably04sdst at gmail.com>
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:40:07 +0530
> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12
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>> 1. Re: Preventing a line break at a given set of characters
>> (Zdenek Wagner)
>> 2. HI (chandrasekhar s)
>> 3. Re: HI (Zdenek Wagner)
>> 4. Re: HI (Yves Codet)
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>> From: Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
>> To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:50:14 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Preventing a line break at a given set of characters
>> 2012/1/7 Paul Isambert <zappathustra at free.fr>:
>> > Shiva Shankar <shivably04sdst at gmail.com> a écrit:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Is it possible to prevent the linebreak at a given set of characters?
>> >> for example TeX will never break a line at fullstop(.) I mean
>> >> fullstop alone never goto next line (unless there is a space behind
>> >> it). Similarly for comma(,), semicolon(;) etc.
>> >
>> This is not a right question. TeX breaks lines:
>> 1. at a glue unless it is preceded by a discardable item
>> 2. at a kern it it is immediatelly followed by a glue
>> 3. at a penalty no matter what follows or precedes
>> 4. at a \discretionary either explicit or resulting from analysis of
>> hyphenation pattern.
>>
>> A hyphen is roughly treated as
>> \penalty\exhyphenpenalty\discretionary{-}{}{-}. Thus there is nothing
>> in the TeX world as breaking at a character. In order to give good
>> advice I need to know what exactly you wish to achieve. If you look at
>> the above rules, you see that if you put \kert0pt in between thwo
>> characters, TeX will never break there. However, the kern will
>> suppress any implicit kern that would otherwise be inserted by
>> examining the font metrics and in addition will create word boundary
>> so that hyphenation patterns will not match properly the remaining
>> parts of the word. If you mark feasible hyphenation points with \-,
>> TeX will not examine hyphenation patterns for that word and used only
>> \- when optimizing paragraph breaking. The trick with \lccode will
>> work too because hyphenation works only if the characters have
>> \catcode equal to 11 and nonzero \lccode.
>>
>
> I want to achieve the following
>
> We have a package called kanlel.sty to typeset Kannada in TeX/LaTeX.
> At present we don't have hyphenation patterns for this package.
> For the time being what I want to achieve is, let us minimize the breaks
> at
> inappropriate places so that it eases many of our tasks. In Kannada
> we get characters(Conjuncts) which have to appear below some other
> character(Consonants) and they cannot
> appear independently. Nearly there are 32 such characters and nine other
> characters which are
> Vowel diacritics and there also if I can prevent the breaking then I guess
> output will be good.
>
> I want to try to build a hyphenation patterns for Kannada (kanlel
> package).
> We have a huge corpus of Kannada and I can create hyphenated list of
> unique words out of it.
> And we also have a rule for hyphenation i.e. leftmin should be 2 and
> rightmin should also be 2.
> What is the next step that we have to do?
>
> After generating hyphenation pattern should I compulsorily use babel for
> using these patterns
> or can I use them Independently?
>
> Regards
> Shivashankar
>
>
>
>>
>> > You can always set \lccode to 0 for the characters you want to be
>> > unbreakable, but that will mess with word recognition globally, so you
>> > won't have hyphenation where you don't want it, but you won't have it
>> > either in many places where expected. A solution might be to add a
>> > glue -- preceded by an infinite penalty -- after the character to mark
>> > the legitimate end of a word; you might be able to do that automatically
>> > with interchartoks; that won't solve problem with \right/lefthyphenmin,
>> > though. See e.g.:
>> >
>> > % Normal hyphenation.
>> > \showhyphens{absolutely}
>> >
>> > % Bad solution.
>> > \lccode`\t=0
>> > \showhyphens{absolutely}
>> >
>> > % Better solution.
>> > \XeTeXinterchartokenstate=1
>> > \XeTeXcharclass`\t=10
>> > \XeTeXinterchartoks 10 0 = {\penalty10000\hskip0pt}
>> > \showhyphens{absolutely}
>> >
>> > I'm not sure this is sound.
>> >
>> > Of course, you can also declare exceptions with \hyphenation, provided
>> > you don't have too many of them.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Paul
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
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>> From: chandrasekhar s <chandru.mcc at gmail.com>
>> To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 02:32:33 +0530
>> Subject: [XeTeX] HI
>>
>> [image: enter image description here]
>>
>>
>> Can the above image be produced using the devanagari package. To produce
>> it I used the sktpackage but I am curious to know if this image (that is
>> the chandrabindu along with the halanth) can be produced using the
>> devanagari package. This symbol very often is used in the "Rudram:
>> Namakam-Camakam" mantra.
>>
>> Chandrasekhar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
>> To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:10:50 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] HI
>> 2012/1/7 chandrasekhar s <chandru.mcc at gmail.com>
>>
>>>
>>> [image: enter image description here]
>>>
>>>
>>> Can the above image be produced using the devanagari package. To
>>> produce it I used the sktpackage but I am curious to know if this image
>>> (that is the chandrabindu along with the halanth) can be produced using the
>>> devanagari package. This symbol very often is used in the "Rudram:
>>> Namakam-Camakam" mantra.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, {\dn\dnsamaveda hi\@\ }
>> But this is not a XeTeX question. I do not know how to produce it in
>> XeTeX.
>>
>>>
>>> Chandrasekhar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Zdeněk Wagner
>> http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/
>> http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz
>>
>>
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>> From: Yves Codet <yves.codet at sfr.fr>
>> To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 07:36:31 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] HI
>> Le 7 janv. 2012 à 23:10, Zdenek Wagner a écrit :
>>
>> > 2012/1/7 chandrasekhar s <chandru.mcc at gmail.com>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Can the above image be produced using the devanagari package. To
>> produce it I used the sktpackage but I am curious to know if this image
>> (that is the chandrabindu along with the halanth) can be produced using the
>> devanagari package. This symbol very often is used in the "Rudram:
>> Namakam-Camakam" mantra.
>> >
>> > Yes, {\dn\dnsamaveda hi\@\ }
>> > But this is not a XeTeX question. I do not know how to produce it in
>> XeTeX.
>>
>> You need a font including the last character (U+A8F3 DEVANAGARI SIGN
>> CANDRABINDU VIRAMA). There's only Siddhanta as far as Alan Woods knows:
>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/devanagari-extended.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yves
>>
>>
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> --
> Regards
> Shivashankar
> Sriranga Digital Software Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,
> Srirangapatna
>
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> From: Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
> To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:24:31 +0100
> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12
> 2012/1/9 Shiva Shankar <shivably04sdst at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to achieve the following
>>
>> We have a package called kanlel.sty to typeset Kannada in TeX/LaTeX.
>> At present we don't have hyphenation patterns for this package.
>> For the time being what I want to achieve is, let us minimize the breaks
>> at
>> inappropriate places so that it eases many of our tasks. In Kannada
>>
>
> I think that XeTeX will not hyphenate Kannada words because patterns for
> the script do not exist. I am not sure about Sanskrit patterns. I am not an
> expert but it seems to me that Sanskrit text can also be written in any
> Indic script. The Sanskrit hyphenation patterns cover several scripts. I am
> not sure whether Kannada is included.
>
>
>> we get characters(Conjuncts) which have to appear below some other
>> character(Consonants) and they cannot
>> appear independently. Nearly there are 32 such characters and nine other
>> characters which are
>> Vowel diacritics and there also if I can prevent the breaking then I
>> guess output will be good.
>>
>> Without having a huge hyphenated list it may be possible just to write
> the rule prohibiting hyphenation before and after virama (ie inside the
> conjunct) and between a consonant and an independent vowel. It seems to me
> that the Sanskrit patterns were created that way. Considering all the
> sandhi rules for gluing the words together there is probably no other way
> for Sanskrit.
>
>
>> I want to try to build a hyphenation patterns for Kannada (kanlel
>> package).
>> We have a huge corpus of Kannada and I can create hyphenated list of
>> unique words out of it.
>> And we also have a rule for hyphenation i.e. leftmin should be 2 and
>> rightmin should also be 2.
>> What is the next step that we have to do?
>>
>> You have to run patgen. I am not sure whether there is a special
> Unicode-aware version. As Petr Sojka found some time ago, it may be useful
> to set both lefthyphenmin and righthyphemin to 1 when generating the
> patterns and use the correct values when typsetting.
>
>
>> After generating hyphenation pattern should I compulsorily use babel for
>> using these patterns
>> or can I use them Independently?
>>
>> You have to build a new format with the hyphenation pattern. In order to
> switch hyphenation paterns in your document it is just necessary to assign
> a proper value to \language. However, in LaTeX you would also like to have
> localized texts for \chaptername, \contentsname etc. That's why its useful
> to use some multilingual package. I would prefer polyglossia to babel.
> Polyglossia is now maintained by Arthur Reuthenauer.
>
>
>> Regards
>> Shivashankar
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Thanks for your guidance.
Thank you.
--
Regards
Shivashankar
Sriranga Digital Software Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,
Srirangapatna
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