[XeTeX] XeTeX, Persian, Page Numbers, Footnote Numbers

Ali Majdzadeh ali.majdzadeh at gmail.com
Wed Nov 28 12:40:34 CET 2007


Hi Mostafa
Thanks. Of course, thay are different. I just meant that they are the same,
regarding display and semantics of digits.

Regrards
Ali

2007/11/28, Mostafa Vahedi <vahedi58 at yahoo.com>:
>
> Ali,
>
> For the macros that you look for, I agree with the previous people who
> replied to your question that it is not easy (in fact very difficult) to do
> that from scratch. However you can reuse much of the macros of the Arabi
> package. Specially I recommend using ArabXeTeX + BIDI + some macros from the
> Arabi package. Note that the Arabi package was written to support Arabic and
> Persian using LaTeX and Babel.
>
> Arabic digits and Persian digits are different! For the Arabic digits in
> Unicode we should use U+0660 to U+0669 and for the Persian digits we SHOULD
> use U+06F0 to U+06F9.
>
> Mostafa
>
> *Ali Majdzadeh <ali.majdzadeh at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Bruno,
> By the way, Persian numbers are axactly the same as Arabic.
>
> Regards
> Ali
>
> 2007/11/28, Ali Majdzadeh <ali.majdzadeh at gmail.com>:
> >
> > Hello Bruno
> > Thanks a lot. I am going to give it a try.
> >
> > Regards
> > Ali
> >
> > 2007/11/28, Bruno Voisin <bvoisin at mac.com>:
> > >
> > > Le 28 nov. 07 à 01:29, mjslouber at berkeley.edu a écrit :
> > >
> > > >> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:37:38 -0800 (PST)
> > > >> From: Apostolos Syropoulos
> > > >>
> > > >>> Is it possible to produce page numbers in Persian? The same
> > > >>> question exists about >footnote numbers, endnote numbers and
> > > heading
> > > >>> numbers.
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course it is. But either you have modify the standard commads or
> > > >> you have to introduce some new commands to take care of this.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I am also interested in using non-arabic numbering in my
> > > XeTeX/LEDMAC
> > > > edition, and I am afraid A.S.'s answer is not very helpful.  Is it
> > > too
> > > > complicated to explain to a beginner how to change these numbering
> > > > commands?
> > >
> > > IIRC LaTeX knows only about arabic and roman numbers, and also about
> > > numbering using the roman alphabet and using "old-fashioned" non-
> > > alphanumeric characters (for footnotes) like *, §, ¶, †, ‡, ǁ
> > > and the like.
> > >
> > > LaTeX sets up the way counters appear in output by making definitions
> > > (for example in article.cls) equivalent to
> > >
> > > \renewcommand{\thesection} {\arabic{section}}  % for sections
> > > \renewcommand{\thepart}    {\Roman{part}}  % for parts
> > > \renewcommand{\thefootnote}{\fnsymbol{footnote}}  % for footnotes
> > > \renewcommand{\theenumii}  {\alph{enumii}}  % for second-order
> > > numbered lists
> > >
> > > where section is the section counter and \thesection the way this
> > > counter is displayed, and so forth.
> > >
> > > But then the hard work of defining the commands \arabic, \roman and so
> > > forth is done in latex.ltx, with code equivalent to:
> > >
> > > \newcommand{\arabic}[1]{\expandafter\@arabic\csname c@#1\endcsname}
> > > \newcommand{\roman}[1]{\expandafter\@roman\csname c@#1\endcsname}
> > > \newcommand{\Roman}[1]{\expandafter\@Roman\csname c@#1\endcsname}
> > > \newcommand{\alph}[1]{\expandafter\@alph\csname c@#1\endcsname}
> > > \newcommand{\Alph}[1]{\expandafter\@Alph\csname c@#1\endcsname}
> > > \newcommand{\fnsymbol}[1]{\expandafter\@fnsymbol\csname
> > > c@#1\endcsname}
> > >
> > > \newcommand{\@arabic}[1]{\number #1}
> > > \newcommand{\@roman}[1]{\romannumeral #1}
> > > \newcommand{\@Roman}[1]{\expandafter\@slowromancap\romannumeral #1@}
> > > \newcommand{\@slowromancap}[1]{\ifx @#1% then terminate
> > >       \else
> > >         \if i#1I\else\if v#1V\else\if x#1X\else\if l#1L\else\if
> > >         c#1C\else\if d#1D\else \if m#1M\else#1\fi\fi\fi\fi\fi\fi\fi
> > >         \expandafter\@slowromancap
> > >       \fi}
> > > \newcommand{\@alph}[1]{%
> > >    \ifcase#1\or a\or b\or c\or d\or e\or f\or g\or h\or i\or j\or
> > >     k\or l\or m\or n\or o\or p\or q\or r\or s\or t\or u\or v\or w\or x
> > > \or
> > >      y\or z\else\@ctrerr \fi}
> > > \newcommand{\@Alph}[1]{%
> > >    \ifcase#1\or A\or B\or C\or D\or E\or F\or G\or H\or I\or J\or
> > >     K\or L\or M\or N\or O\or P\or Q\or R\or S\or T\or U\or V\or W\or X
> > > \or
> > >      Y\or Z\else\@ctrerr\fi}
> > > \newcommand{\@fnsymbol}[1]{\ensuremath{\ifcase#1\or *\or \dagger\or
> > > \ddagger\or
> > >     \mathsection\or \mathparagraph\or \|\or **\or \dagger\dagger
> > >     \or \ddagger\ddagger \else\@ctrerr\fi}}
> > >
> > > where \number and \romannumeral are TeX primitives (i.e., commands
> > > implemented in the core TeX engine itself).
> > >
> > > I don't have time to try to explain these definitions in detail, I
> > > hope they're more-or-less self-explanatory.
> > >
> > > I can't say much more not knowing anything about Persian numbers. From
> > > the answer given by Mojca Miklavec and using ConTeXt, it seems Persian
> > >
> > > numbers have the same structure as so-called "arabic" numbers (i.e.
> > > base-10, right-to-left ordering of successive powers of 10). So if
> > > that's indeed correct, and if the font BCompset does indeed provide
> > > Persian numbers at the slots normally reserved for arabic numbers,
> > > then I guess the following could do the job, in the preamble of your
> > > LaTeX file:
> > >
> > > \usepackage{fontpec}
> > > \newfontfamily\persianfont{BCompset}
> > > \makeatletter
> > > \newcommand{\persian}[1]{\expandafter\@persian\csname c@#1\endcsname}
> > > \newcommand{\@persian}[1]{\bgroup\persianfont\number #1\egroup}
> > > \makeatother
> > > \renewcommand{\thefootnote}{\persian{footnote}}
> > >
> > > Three more things:
> > >
> > > - The above is untested, incomplete (it's not dealing with page
> > > numbers which are more complicated) and probably won't work as is. I
> > > hope it could provide a starting point for others to come up with
> > > something usable.
> > >
> > > - It's likely that there's a LaTeX package out there somewhere
> > > allowing this to be done transparently. But I'm lost personally in the
> > > jungle of innumerable and largely redundant LaTeX packages. Have you
> > > looked at the LaTeX Companion 2nd edition?
> > >
> > > - Apart from the Persian font thing, it's more a generic LaTeX
> > > question than a XeTeX-specific one. Accordingly, you could get luckier
> > > by asking it at a generic LaTeX forum like comp.text.tex.
> > >
> > > In any case, you see that changing numbering in LaTeX is not
> > > straightforward at all, and yes, it's complicated to explain to a
> > > beginner how to change it.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps though,
> > >
> > > Bruno Voisin
> > >
> >
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