<div dir="ltr">2016-04-13 19:30 GMT+02:00 Paulo Ney de Souza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pauloney@gmail.com" target="_blank">pauloney@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>There are about 50 fonts in CTAN which are in TDS and are not part of TeXLive. If is zip, tar, rpm ... it is not really different, the important part if that TDS organization is ready.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If it is in TDS, just put it to your $TEXM-LOCAL and run updmap(-sys)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>Now the format is all over the place: MF, Type 1, TrueType ... and a LOT of that work to classify them will have to be done. But my point is -- this should be done only ONCE and then all users of TeXLive could reap the benefits, instead of the situation that we have right now where this has to be re-done and re-done by each individual user ... and probably with a very low rate of success because of the cumbersome process.<br><br></div>15 years ago there was a reason to keep some fonts out of TeXLive - the space on the CD being probably the most important, but right now there seems to be no reason to keep them out.<br><br></div>There are two ways to do it:<br><br></div> A- Include them on TeXLive<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ask the font authors to release them under a free license and it will happen. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><br></div> B- Make their download and installation automatic via a script.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nobody can guarantee that all fonts on CTAN have exactly the same structure so that one script could fit for all. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><br></div>and my question was essentially -- which way is preferable? <br><br></div>There are NO reasons why font-installation should not be a completely automated process. It is like that already for some (the 10 fonts covered by getnonfreefonts, MathTimePro, MinionMath, ...) but the scripts are proliferating without any need for it. The script for the last two literally mimic getnonfreefonts line by line.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It can be automatic if all fonts are packaged exactly the same way. If you do not force all font authors to pack the distribution in an exactly the same way, the script will sooner or later crash. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class=""><font color="#888888">Paulo Ney de Souza<br><div><div><div><div><div><div><br><br><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature">Zdeněk Wagner<br><a href="http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/wagner.shtml" target="_blank">http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/wagner.shtml</a><br><a href="http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz" target="_blank">http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz</a></div></div>
<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></font></span></div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Zdenek Wagner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zdenek.wagner@gmail.com" target="_blank">zdenek.wagner@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Saying that something is packaged does not give any useful information. How is it packaged, as zip, rpm, deb, ...? If it is a zip, what is the directory structure inside it? What is the format of the font, is it MF, Type 1, TrueType, OpenType? What is the encoding of the font? Which languages and scripts are supported? If a font is properly packaged, it means that all this information is present in a metafile understandable to an infrastructure that is able to put the files to correct directories and is able to inform the operating system and/or a particular TeX distribution that the font is available. CTAN usually contains archive files, not packages. In order to use them a user has to collect all this information and install the font. There is nothing like super simple font installation unless it is an OpenType font and you can just copy the *.otf to a system directory.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div>Zdeněk Wagner<br><a href="http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/wagner.shtml" target="_blank">http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/wagner.shtml</a><br><a href="http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz" target="_blank">http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz</a></div></div><div><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-13 2:41 GMT+02:00 Paulo Ney de Souza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pauloney@gmail.com" target="_blank">pauloney@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>We are talking about fonts that have already been packaged - this is about installation and not packaging for TeX.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">Paulo Ney<br></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Norbert Preining <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:preining@logic.at" target="_blank">preining@logic.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> elsewhere) which are not available on TL. This is vexing because the<br>
> technology to make these installs a single command line like ...<br>
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> font-install Antiqua<br>
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$ font-install Antiqua<br>
bash: font-install: command not found<br>
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I don't know what you are talking about that super simple font<br>
installation, but I can guarantee you - and I have packaged a lot of<br>
fonts - that font installation cross platform is not trivial.<br>
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Norbert<br>
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