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1. Install file of the TL should have unique name (Denis Bitouz?)<br>
2. Re: Install file of the TL should have unique name (Philip Taylor)<br>
3. Re: Install file of the TL should have unique name (Lars Madsen)<br>
4. Re: Install file of the TL should have unique name (Zdenek Wagner)<br>
5. Re: Install file of the TL should have unique name (Lars Madsen)<br>
6. Re: Install file of the TL should have unique name (Denis Bitouz?)<br>
7. Re: Install file of the TL should have unique name (Denis Bitouz?)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 19:33:59 +0100<br>
From: Denis Bitouz? <<a href="mailto:dbitouze@wanadoo.fr">dbitouze@wanadoo.fr</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a>><br>
Subject: [tex-live] Install file of the TL should have unique name<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
in order to install TL 2013 on Windows, I told a student of mine to<br>
click on the 'install-tl.bat' file in the TL folder. But, as:<br>
<br>
1. by default, Windows hides the files' extensions,<br>
2. TL provides 3 'install-tl.*' files,<br>
<br>
my student didn't succeed to run the install wizard as he didn't click<br>
on the right file.<br>
<br>
He brought his computer at the university in order I help him but<br>
I couldn't figure out what was the right file to run. I had to change<br>
the Windows config in order to make the extensions be displayed, to<br>
finally detect the .bat file.<br>
<br>
Hence, it could be nice that for the install file of the TL to have<br>
unique name.<br>
<br>
Best regards.<br>
--<br>
Denis<br>
<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 18:51:05 +0000<br>
From: Philip Taylor <<a href="mailto:P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk">P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk</a>><br>
To: Denis Bitouz? <<a href="mailto:dbitouze@wanadoo.fr">dbitouze@wanadoo.fr</a>>, <<a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tex-live] Install file of the TL should have unique name<br>
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I have enormous sympathy with this request, and will never<br>
understand, as long as I live, why Microsoft chose to conceal<br>
vital information in this way.<br>
<br>
Philip Taylor<br>
--------<br>
Denis Bitouz? wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> in order to install TL 2013 on Windows, I told a student of mine to<br>
> click on the 'install-tl.bat' file in the TL folder. But, as:<br>
><br>
> 1. by default, Windows hides the files' extensions,<br>
> 2. TL provides 3 'install-tl.*' files,<br>
><br>
> my student didn't succeed to run the install wizard as he didn't click<br>
> on the right file.<br>
><br>
> He brought his computer at the university in order I help him but<br>
> I couldn't figure out what was the right file to run. I had to change<br>
> the Windows config in order to make the extensions be displayed, to<br>
> finally detect the .bat file.<br>
><br>
> Hence, it could be nice that for the install file of the TL to have<br>
> unique name.<br>
><br>
> Best regards.<br>
><br>
<br>
--<br>
Windows 8 ? Just say "no".<br>
<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 20:09:34 +0000<br>
From: Lars Madsen <<a href="mailto:daleif@imf.au.dk">daleif@imf.au.dk</a>><br>
To: Denis Bitouz? <<a href="mailto:dbitouze@wanadoo.fr">dbitouze@wanadoo.fr</a>>, "<a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a>"<br>
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Subject: Re: [tex-live] Install file of the TL should have unique name<br>
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I agree with Philip, it is a really annoying Win feature.<br>
<br>
I change it on our users computer whenever they come by.<br>
<br>
As far as making the file names unique, I do not think it is possible at the moment due to the manner in which the .bat file calls install-tl<br>
<br>
But you should easily be able to tell them apart even without the extensions. Windows would be able to identify .bat files.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
/Lars Madsen<br>
Institut for Matematik / Department of Mathematics<br>
Aarhus Universitet / Aarhus University<br>
Mere info: <a href="http://au.dk/daleif@imf" target="_blank">http://au.dk/daleif@imf</a> / More information: <a href="http://au.dk/en/daleif@imf" target="_blank">http://au.dk/en/daleif@imf</a><br>
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From: tex-live [<a href="mailto:tex-live-bounces@tug.org">tex-live-bounces@tug.org</a>] on behalf of Denis Bitouz? [<a href="mailto:dbitouze@wanadoo.fr">dbitouze@wanadoo.fr</a>]<br>
Sent: 09 January 2014 19:33<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a><br>
Subject: [tex-live] Install file of the TL should have unique name<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
in order to install TL 2013 on Windows, I told a student of mine to<br>
click on the 'install-tl.bat' file in the TL folder. But, as:<br>
<br>
1. by default, Windows hides the files' extensions,<br>
2. TL provides 3 'install-tl.*' files,<br>
<br>
my student didn't succeed to run the install wizard as he didn't click<br>
on the right file.<br>
<br>
He brought his computer at the university in order I help him but<br>
I couldn't figure out what was the right file to run. I had to change<br>
the Windows config in order to make the extensions be displayed, to<br>
finally detect the .bat file.<br>
<br>
Hence, it could be nice that for the install file of the TL to have<br>
unique name.<br>
<br>
Best regards.<br>
--<br>
Denis<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 21:19:59 +0100<br>
From: Zdenek Wagner <<a href="mailto:zdenek.wagner@gmail.com">zdenek.wagner@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Lars Madsen <<a href="mailto:daleif@imf.au.dk">daleif@imf.au.dk</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tex-live] Install file of the TL should have unique name<br>
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2014/1/9 Lars Madsen <<a href="mailto:daleif@imf.au.dk">daleif@imf.au.dk</a>>:<br>
> I agree with Philip, it is a really annoying Win feature.<br>
><br>
>From my point of view it is even one of the most dangerous<br>
misfeatures. If a user clicks "infectme.txt" assuming to open it in a<br>
notepad and it is in fact "infectme.txt.exe", the user's computer will<br>
be infected. The Windows users should be educated to:<br>
<br>
1. configure Windows to display all extensions<br>
<br>
2. do not click anything unless (1) is done<br>
<br>
3. report this security risk to Microsoft<br>
<br>
4. spread this knowledge to other Windows users<br>
<br>
> I change it on our users computer whenever they come by.<br>
><br>
> As far as making the file names unique, I do not think it is possible at the moment due to the manner in which the .bat file calls install-tl<br>
><br>
> But you should easily be able to tell them apart even without the extensions. Windows would be able to identify .bat files.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> /Lars Madsen<br>
> Institut for Matematik / Department of Mathematics<br>
> Aarhus Universitet / Aarhus University<br>
> Mere info: <a href="http://au.dk/daleif@imf" target="_blank">http://au.dk/daleif@imf</a> / More information: <a href="http://au.dk/en/daleif@imf" target="_blank">http://au.dk/en/daleif@imf</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________________<br>
> From: tex-live [<a href="mailto:tex-live-bounces@tug.org">tex-live-bounces@tug.org</a>] on behalf of Denis Bitouz? [<a href="mailto:dbitouze@wanadoo.fr">dbitouze@wanadoo.fr</a>]<br>
> Sent: 09 January 2014 19:33<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a><br>
> Subject: [tex-live] Install file of the TL should have unique name<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> in order to install TL 2013 on Windows, I told a student of mine to<br>
> click on the 'install-tl.bat' file in the TL folder. But, as:<br>
><br>
> 1. by default, Windows hides the files' extensions,<br>
> 2. TL provides 3 'install-tl.*' files,<br>
><br>
> my student didn't succeed to run the install wizard as he didn't click<br>
> on the right file.<br>
><br>
> He brought his computer at the university in order I help him but<br>
> I couldn't figure out what was the right file to run. I had to change<br>
> the Windows config in order to make the extensions be displayed, to<br>
> finally detect the .bat file.<br>
><br>
> Hence, it could be nice that for the install file of the TL to have<br>
> unique name.<br>
><br>
> Best regards.<br>
> --<br>
> Denis<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Zden?k Wagner<br>
<a href="http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/" target="_blank">http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/</a><br>
<a href="http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz" target="_blank">http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz</a><br>
<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 21:33:09 +0000<br>
From: Lars Madsen <<a href="mailto:daleif@imf.au.dk">daleif@imf.au.dk</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:zdenek.wagner@gmail.com">zdenek.wagner@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:zdenek.wagner@gmail.com">zdenek.wagner@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Don't you remember the "I love you" virus from the late 90s (I think), it exploited exactly that, came as an attached file called i_love_you.txt.vbs<br>
<br>
One of our it guys gave a talk about the virus and the "interesting" ved features that it used<br>
<br>
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From: Zdenek Wagner [<a href="mailto:zdenek.wagner@gmail.com">zdenek.wagner@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Received: torsdag, 09 jan. 2014, 21:20<br>
To: Lars Madsen [<a href="mailto:daleif@imf.au.dk">daleif@imf.au.dk</a>]<br>
CC: Denis Bitouz? [<a href="mailto:dbitouze@wanadoo.fr">dbitouze@wanadoo.fr</a>]; <a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a> [<a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a>]<br>
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2014/1/9 Lars Madsen <<a href="mailto:daleif@imf.au.dk">daleif@imf.au.dk</a>>:<br>
> I agree with Philip, it is a really annoying Win feature.<br>
><br>
>From my point of view it is even one of the most dangerous<br>
misfeatures. If a user clicks "infectme.txt" assuming to open it in a<br>
notepad and it is in fact "infectme.txt.exe", the user's computer will<br>
be infected. The Windows users should be educated to:<br>
<br>
1. configure Windows to display all extensions<br>
<br>
2. do not click anything unless (1) is done<br>
<br>
3. report this security risk to Microsoft<br>
<br>
4. spread this knowledge to other Windows users<br>
<br>
> I change it on our users computer whenever they come by.<br>
><br>
> As far as making the file names unique, I do not think it is possible at the moment due to the manner in which the .bat file calls install-tl<br>
><br>
> But you should easily be able to tell them apart even without the extensions. Windows would be able to identify .bat files.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> /Lars Madsen<br>
> Institut for Matematik / Department of Mathematics<br>
> Aarhus Universitet / Aarhus University<br>
> Mere info: <a href="http://au.dk/daleif@imf" target="_blank">http://au.dk/daleif@imf</a> / More information: <a href="http://au.dk/en/daleif@imf" target="_blank">http://au.dk/en/daleif@imf</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________________<br>
> From: tex-live [<a href="mailto:tex-live-bounces@tug.org">tex-live-bounces@tug.org</a>] on behalf of Denis Bitouz? [<a href="mailto:dbitouze@wanadoo.fr">dbitouze@wanadoo.fr</a>]<br>
> Sent: 09 January 2014 19:33<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a><br>
> Subject: [tex-live] Install file of the TL should have unique name<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> in order to install TL 2013 on Windows, I told a student of mine to<br>
> click on the 'install-tl.bat' file in the TL folder. But, as:<br>
><br>
> 1. by default, Windows hides the files' extensions,<br>
> 2. TL provides 3 'install-tl.*' files,<br>
><br>
> my student didn't succeed to run the install wizard as he didn't click<br>
> on the right file.<br>
><br>
> He brought his computer at the university in order I help him but<br>
> I couldn't figure out what was the right file to run. I had to change<br>
> the Windows config in order to make the extensions be displayed, to<br>
> finally detect the .bat file.<br>
><br>
> Hence, it could be nice that for the install file of the TL to have<br>
> unique name.<br>
><br>
> Best regards.<br>
> --<br>
> Denis<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Zden?k Wagner<br>
<a href="http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/" target="_blank">http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/</a><br>
<a href="http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz" target="_blank">http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz</a><br>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:21:21 +0100<br>
From: Denis Bitouz? <<a href="mailto:dbitouze@wanadoo.fr">dbitouze@wanadoo.fr</a>><br>
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Le jeudi 09/01/14 ? 20h09,<br>
Lars Madsen <<a href="mailto:daleif@imf.au.dk">daleif@imf.au.dk</a>> a ?crit :<br>
<br>
> I agree with Philip, it is a really annoying Win feature.<br>
<br>
I agree as well!<br>
<br>
> I change it on our users computer whenever they come by.<br>
<br>
Yes, but with computers on their own?<br>
<br>
> As far as making the file names unique, I do not think it is possible<br>
> at the moment due to the manner in which the .bat file calls<br>
> install-tl<br>
<br>
Sigh...<br>
<br>
> But you should easily be able to tell them apart even without the<br>
> extensions. Windows would be able to identify .bat files.<br>
<br>
As said, it wasn't that clear to me (IIRC, in the "type" column of the<br>
.bat file was written something like "Windows commands file")<br>
--<br>
Denis<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:21:38 +0100<br>
From: Denis Bitouz? <<a href="mailto:dbitouze@wanadoo.fr">dbitouze@wanadoo.fr</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tex-live] Install file of the TL should have unique name<br>
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Le jeudi 09/01/14 ? 21h19,<br>
Zdenek Wagner <<a href="mailto:zdenek.wagner@gmail.com">zdenek.wagner@gmail.com</a>> a ?crit :<br>
<br>
> From my point of view it is even one of the most dangerous<br>
> misfeatures. If a user clicks "infectme.txt" assuming to open it in a<br>
> notepad and it is in fact "infectme.txt.exe", the user's computer will<br>
> be infected.<br>
<br>
Indeed.<br>
<br>
> The Windows users should be educated to:<br>
><br>
> 1. configure Windows to display all extensions<br>
<br>
It's what I advise to all my students. But how to reach aaaaalllll the<br>
Windows users?<br>
<br>
> 2. do not click anything unless (1) is done<br>
<br>
At least, they'll click on some shortcut on the Desktop ;)<br>
<br>
> 3. report this security risk to Microsoft<br>
<br>
This should be told on Windows forums and mailing lists.<br>
<br>
> 4. spread this knowledge to other Windows users<br>
<br>
Indeed.<br>
--<br>
Denis<br>
<br>
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