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Hope it won't be to messy to follow.<br><br>On So, 20 Jun 2010, Emanuele Rodo wrote:
<br></pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>I wonder if it is possible to only use x86_64 packages rather than e.g.
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>having something like -
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""></pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Updating dvipdfm
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Updating dvipdfmx.universal-darwin
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Updating dvipdfmx.x86_64-darwin
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">Yes, one of the two can be eliminated. I don't know about how
MacTeX is installing things.
I am myself not sure how this should be achieved. Certainly at the moment
you are simply using the universal-darwin binaries as far as I see.
If you use the normal texlive installer and it does select universal-darwin
for you, you can override that with
install-tl -force-arch x86_64-darwin <other option>
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>I noticed the presence of both
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/universal-darwin/tlmgr
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>and
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/x86_64-darwin/tlmgr.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">Yes, and much more, all binaries in bin/*-darwin/ are double.
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>What change is to be made in the tlmgr configuration file? Is it then
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>possible to delete /usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/universal-darwin/tlmgr?
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">I wrote how I would do it on Unix or Mac with the normal TeX Live installer.
If you used MacTeX please ask on the MacTeX list or wait for answer here,
normally there are some people with MacTeX knowledge around.
Best wishes
Norbert
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<br><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap="">On So, 20 Jun 2010, Emanuele Rodo wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>I wonder if it is possible to only use x86_64 packages rather than e.g.
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>having something like -
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>Updating dvipdfm
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>Updating dvipdfmx.universal-darwin
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>Updating dvipdfmx.x86_64-darwin
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">
/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin
contains
universal-darwin
x86_64-darwin/pdftex
each of them contains say pdftex but those are different
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2850996 Jun 16 19:11 universal-darwin/pdftex
on the other hand on 64-bit machine
%ls -l /usr/texbin/pdftex returns
--rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1572864 Jun 16 19:19 /usr/texbin/pdftex
and on 32-bit it returns
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2850996 Jun 16 19:11 /usr/texbin/pdftex
%which pdftex
returns /usr/texbin/pdftex
Actually /usr/texbin is a symlink to
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 63 Jun 12 13:34 /usr/texbin ->
..<i class="moz-txt-slash"><span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>Library/TeX/Distributions<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i>.DefaultTeX/Contents/Programs/i386
which in turn is a symlink to one of those
/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/universal-darwin
/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/x86_64-darwin
(depending on architecture)
There is a control panel in System Preferences where one can
select/change which path is used and on 32-bin machines only
/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/universal-darwin could be chosen
Sio, in principle one can select a directory containing tex
executables and remove the other one - assuming that tlmgr (or TeXLive
utility which is MacOSX frontend for tlmgr) would not complain too
much.
But this is only less than 150 MB for universal-darwin and less than
100MB for x86_64-darwin.
Victor
<div class="moz-txt-sig">--
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Victor Ivrii, Professor, Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.math.toronto.edu/ivrii">http://www.math.toronto.edu/ivrii</a>
</div></pre><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div class="moz-text-plain" wrap="true" graphical-quote="true" style="font-family: -moz-fixed; font-size: 12px;" lang="x-western"><pre wrap="">On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Victor Ivrii wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>There is a control panel in System Preferences where one can
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>select/change which path is used and on 32-bin machines only
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/universal-darwin could be chosen
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Sio, in principle one can select a directory containing tex
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>executables and remove the other one - assuming that tlmgr (or TeXLive
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>utility which is MacOSX frontend for tlmgr) would not complain too
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>much.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">At the very least, I think you should use `tlmgr arch remove`, but then
you will still have a stale option in the preference pane (if you used
MacTeX).
At present, on Snow Leopard (Mac OS X 10.6), you get universal-darwin
and x86_64-darwin binaries. The x86_64-darwin binaries will <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>only<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i> work
on 10.6. On 10.5 and earlier OS releases, MacTeX installs only the
universal-darwin arch.
If you think you need finer-grained control, you can use the install-tl
script to install TeX Live yourself, but any /usr/texbin path setup will
not work correctly.
I may add arch add/remove functionality to TeX Live Utility at some
point. Correctly handling /usr/texbin is the main reason I haven't made
time to do that yet.
<div class="moz-txt-sig">--
Adam
<br><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div class="moz-text-plain" wrap="true" graphical-quote="true" style="font-family: -moz-fixed; font-size: 12px;" lang="x-western"><pre wrap="">On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Adam R. Maxwell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:amaxwell@mac.com"><amaxwell@mac.com></a> wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Victor Ivrii wrote:
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>There is a control panel in System Preferences where one can
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>select/change which path is used and on 32-bin machines only
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/universal-darwin could be chosen
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>Sio, in principle one can select a directory containing tex
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>executables and remove the other one - assuming that tlmgr (or TeXLive
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>utility which is MacOSX frontend for tlmgr) would not complain too
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>much.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>At the very least, I think you should use `tlmgr arch remove`, but then
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>you will still have a stale option in the preference pane (if you used
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>MacTeX).
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>At present, on Snow Leopard (Mac OS X 10.6), you get universal-darwin
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>and x86_64-darwin binaries. The x86_64-darwin binaries will <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>only<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i> work
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>on 10.6. On 10.5 and earlier OS releases, MacTeX installs only the
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>universal-darwin arch.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">One can complain a bit that MacTeX installs x86_64-darwin binaries on
SL even if it is not 64-bit machine capable (as my intel
pre-Core-Duo-2 MacBookPro) but in comparison with the size of TL it is
only 5%. I suspect that simply deleting some TeX binaries is a kind of
experiment about which Adam Savage suggests "Never try it at home" <span class="moz-smiley-s1" title=":-)"><span>:-)</span></span>
Victor
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>If you think you need finer-grained control, you can use the install-tl
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>script to install TeX Live yourself, but any /usr/texbin path setup will
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>not work correctly.
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>I may add arch add/remove functionality to TeX Live Utility at some
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>point. Correctly handling /usr/texbin is the main reason I haven't made
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>time to do that yet.
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>--
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Adam
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">
<div class="moz-txt-sig">--
========================
Victor Ivrii, Professor, Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.math.toronto.edu/ivrii">http://www.math.toronto.edu/ivrii</a>
</div></pre></div>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><pre wrap="">On Mo, 21 Jun 2010, Emanuele Rodo wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>sudo tlmgr --repository=<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/">http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/</a>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>arch remove universal-darwin
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">Yes, it is still like that that the automatically detected platform
cannot be removed.
I am not sure what the best step further now is, but we have
to either change the detection routine if we want the 64bit binries to
be the efault on those machines, or we have to change tlmgr to switch
the main arch somehow.
I will look into that.
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Moreover, TeXLive Utility (0.88) lists a large amount of
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>universal.darwin packages where the
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>local revision (17012) is newer than revision in
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/">http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/</a> (9317), not updating.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">You should read the texlive list (one reason why I asked to stay on list
is that all the inforamtion should be there).
That has been announced quite some time ago, you have to either
install --reinstall
all those packages, or make a complete new installation of mactex.
We are in prerelease testing.
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Maybe, it will be good to just remove them.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">No.
Best wishes
Norbert
<br><br><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap="">Thank you all:
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>I noticed the option in the preference panel: TeXLive-2010-64 has been
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>selected by default.
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>This is what I get by executing:
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>sudo tlmgr --repository=<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/">http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/</a>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>arch remove universal-darwin
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Password:
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>You are running on arch universal-darwin, you cannot remove that one!
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>(Here:
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>sudo tlmgr arch list
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>tlmgr: package repository <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/">http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/</a>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Available platforms:
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> i386-linux
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>(i) x86_64-darwin
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> i386-kfreebsd
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> mips-irix
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> sparc-solaris
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> win32
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> x86_64-solaris
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> powerpc-aix
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> i386-solaris
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> amd64-kfreebsd
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> alpha-linux
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> sparc-linux
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> i386-netbsd
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>(i) universal-darwin
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> i386-freebsd
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> powerpc-linux
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> amd64-freebsd
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> x86_64-linux
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> i386-cygwin
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Already installed platforms are marked with (i)
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>You can add new platforms with: tlmgr arch add ARCH1 ARCH2...
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>)
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Moreover, TeXLive Utility (0.88) lists a large amount of
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>universal.darwin packages where the
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>local revision (17012) is newer than revision in
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/">http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/texlive/tlpretest/</a> (9317), not updating.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">
You need to reinstall these packages as at some moment newer revisions
got lower numbers (it was discussed in this list)
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Maybe, it will be good to just remove them.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">May be it would be good just to leave them alone?
Victor
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>This is all, until now.
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>On 20/06/10 19.48, Victor Ivrii wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Adam R. Maxwell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:amaxwell@mac.com"><amaxwell@mac.com></a> wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Victor Ivrii wrote:
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>></span>
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>>> </span>There is a control panel in System Preferences where one can
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>>> </span>select/change which path is used and on 32-bin machines only
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>>> </span>/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/universal-darwin could be chosen
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>>> </span>Sio, in principle one can select a directory containing tex
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>>> </span>executables and remove the other one - assuming that tlmgr (or TeXLive
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>>> </span>utility which is MacOSX frontend for tlmgr) would not complain too
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>>> </span>much.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>At the very least, I think you should use `tlmgr arch remove`, but then
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>you will still have a stale option in the preference pane (if you used
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>MacTeX).
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>At present, on Snow Leopard (Mac OS X 10.6), you get universal-darwin
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>and x86_64-darwin binaries. The x86_64-darwin binaries will <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>only<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i> work
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>on 10.6. On 10.5 and earlier OS releases, MacTeX installs only the
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>universal-darwin arch.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>One can complain a bit that MacTeX installs x86_64-darwin binaries on
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>SL even if it is not 64-bit machine capable (as my intel
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>pre-Core-Duo-2 MacBookPro) but in comparison with the size of TL it is
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>only 5%. I suspect that simply deleting some TeX binaries is a kind of
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>experiment about which Adam Savage suggests "Never try it at home" <span class="moz-smiley-s1" title=":-)"><span>:-)</span></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>> </span>Victor
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>></span>
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>If you think you need finer-grained control, you can use the install-tl
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>script to install TeX Live yourself, but any /usr/texbin path setup will
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>not work correctly.
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>I may add arch add/remove functionality to TeX Live Utility at some
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>point. Correctly handling /usr/texbin is the main reason I haven't made
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>time to do that yet.
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>--
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>> </span>Adam
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>>></span>
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">>></span>
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>--
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Emanuele Rodo
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:emanuele.ro@gmail.com">emanuele.ro@gmail.com</a>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>T: +49 (0)176 86 42 63 46
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">
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========================
Victor Ivrii, Professor, Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.math.toronto.edu/ivrii">http://www.math.toronto.edu/ivrii</a>
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