<html><head><base href="x-msg://99/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Markus,<div><br><div><div>On 02/06/2015, at 8:55 AM, Markus Klyver wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Monaco; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><div dir="ltr">Who copy pastes from a PDF anyway? PDF is used for one thing – reading. </div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That is 20th century thinking.</div><div>In the 21st century, PDF is getting enriched with all kinds of extra</div><div>structures that allow much greater flexibility --- provided the </div><div>PDF reader supports it. </div><div><br></div><div>Supporting Copy/Paste is just one such. Read Out Loud is important too.</div><div>Exporting to XML, Rich Text, Word .doc, and more are other things;</div><div>also Tooltips, a multitude of annotation types, Javascript actions, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>You can get these features with Adobe products.</div><div>Unfortunately Apple only sees PDF as a graphics format, </div><div>and its reader software has limitations because of this.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Monaco; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><div dir="ltr">If you want to copy, edit or modify the text, use the source TeX file.<br></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure. Include the TeX source as an attachment to your PDF.</div><div>There is a package attachfile2.sty that does this.</div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately Preview, and presumably other Mac-based readers,</div><div>do not support access to attachments within PDFs.</div><div>Yet another reason to use Adobe Reader or Acrobat.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Will is spot-on in pointing out where PDF techniques, most</div><div>of which are described in published standards, are not being</div><div>implemented correctly by Apple or in 3rd-party software.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Monaco; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><div dir="ltr"><br><div>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:will.adams@frycomm.com">will.adams@frycomm.com</a><br>> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 12:27:49 -0400<br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:macosx-tex@email.esm.psu.edu">macosx-tex@email.esm.psu.edu</a><br>> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Feature request on TeXShop's "Experiment" mechanism<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On May 29, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Markus Klyver wrote:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Why not just use the print feature of the OS itself (avalible with command ⌘ + p, and print)?<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> One reason not to use that feature is that it will in certain circumstances re-encode the font and make it impossible to copy-paste properly from the resultant .pdf<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> William<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> (who is getting really annoyed about having to use brain cells to memorise such minutiae and really wishes these things would just work properly and sensibly)<br>> --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> William Adams<br>> senior graphic designer<br>> Fry Communications<br>> Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.<br></div></div></div></span></blockquote><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps,</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Ross</div><div><br></div><br><div>
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