<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi, <div>since i started this row some month ago (no response on the list then) I'd like to elaborate a bit what I'd expect.</div><div><br></div><div>Actually the "problem" is still present, I am currently still using jurabib, basically for two reasons: I know how this particular package works … – no modifications of the really complicated code – some things I have not been able to accomplish like a better manage of the archival-type entries. The other reason is that my references (kept in BibDesk) are set up for jurabib.</div><div><br></div><div>Simon and Dominik have promised that many things are easier to accomplish, like multibib-functionality and formatting of references. Furthermore since jurabib is not developed any more this is a dead end. I do believe them but… 1) setting things up is a lot of work (learning, changing the references (field and such alike) testing 2) most important learning to write a NEW entry-type (archival) which I believe is not trivial. So I am still shying away from that huge effort.</div><div><br></div><div>In fact, I rather like the manual to be 175pages (but so far the manual I have seen was much much shorter?!) I just recently installed and updated TexLive2008 (wow that was easy!) and as far as I know BibLaTeX was not part of this (hint hint: please include this as the beta could be kept updated easily with the new package-Manager!!) so maybe I missed the long long manual. I have to admit I am not the programmer- or mathematical inclined type, writing macros is too much for me. So I ultimately don't know if I will be able to achieve my goal here – in the end it is to finish my thesis – not be perfect with LaTeX/Bibtex/BibLaTeX/jurabib etc.</div><div><br></div><div>So much for now, maybe I make this a New Years' promise to self.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Rolf</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div>Am 17.12.2008 um 08:55 schrieb Simon Spiegel:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 17.12.2008, at 06:36, Adam M. Goldstein wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:26 PM, G.H. Szylowsky PhD wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">I admit that this is not the world record (175 pages). I found a package on TL with an 850 page guide.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Not having a reasonable intro, is a big problem.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br>Beamer is a good example of lots of documentation, but easy to get into. The tutorial at the start enables one to start making basic presentations almost right away. Also the Gratzer book has a nice chapter on this. But then one can profit from scanning the manual to learn how to do more complex things.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>I doubt that anyone who says biblatex has bad documentation ever had a proper look at it. Actually, the first paragraph tells the reader which sections to look at for a quick start and the package comes with more than 30 examples.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>simon</div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">--</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Simon Spiegel</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; 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